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Old 21-01-2010, 02:25 PM   #26
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Somehow I don't think any "high profile AFL star" s will be able to play a tourny like this in April.
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Jeff Van Groningen is the main man behind this, and Cal Bruton is also involved!
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Old 21-01-2010, 02:38 PM   #28
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Good ol' Jeff.
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Old 21-01-2010, 02:39 PM   #29
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I think it's fantastic to see, and that it's on One HD shows that Basketball can get onto FTA. I think the NBL/BA need to get on and see how this was setup!
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Old 21-01-2010, 02:46 PM   #30
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See, that's a description of basketball, right there. I'm not quite convinced you can make it more exciting without totally screwing up the reasons we love it in the first place.
This.

I would love many more people to be going to NBL games each week, but if people don't like basketball as it is, too bad, we'll just have to put up with low crowds.

Surely the good NBL players chasing money in the off season will go to play briefly in Europe, as others have in the past, rather than sharing in $250,000?
And the olds will likely take a break to rest up for their pre-season training leading up to the next NBL season.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:00 PM   #31
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This.

I would love many more people to be going to NBL games each week, but if people don't like basketball as it is, too bad, we'll just have to put up with low crowds.

Surely the good NBL players chasing money in the off season will go to play briefly in Europe, as others have in the past, rather than sharing in $250,000?
And the olds will likely take a break to rest up for their pre-season training leading up to the next NBL season.
You do realise that this is a 5 day event (like a carnival) so it won't exactly take a toll on any of the players and won't limit them from going overseas.

You also realise how little many NBL players get paid so a couple of thousand bucks (at least) for playing a couple of games is a pretty good return.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:01 PM   #32
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Somehow I don't think any "high profile AFL star" s will be able to play a tourny like this in April.
Surely you are joking ...

The "high profile AFL star" mentioned is Lance Franklin ... and he's not playing, he's a team owner.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:06 PM   #33
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More info (and his thoughts) from Boti Nagy who was at the press conference:
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006371,00.html
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:08 PM   #34
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You do realise that this is a 5 day event (like a carnival) so it won't exactly take a toll on any of the players and won't limit them from going overseas.

You also realise how little many NBL players get paid so a couple of thousand bucks (at least) for playing a couple of games is a pretty good return.
1. Probably, but what if they need off-season surgery or have say a hip complaint that needs plenty of rest before the next season.

2. So no Tigers players will be there then.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:11 PM   #35
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You do realise that this is a 5 day event (like a carnival) so it won't exactly take a toll on any of the players and won't limit them from going overseas.

You also realise how little many NBL players get paid so a couple of thousand bucks (at least) for playing a couple of games is a pretty good return.
Hey Dodgey, while you're at it, can you persuade the stars to put on a "Dunk Contest"?

That went down really well last time.

Heck, why not jam a broom handle up the players' arses & they can sweep the court for yah.

BTW, which team will Goorj coach? I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:22 PM   #36
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Full press release with quotes from parties involved (JVG, Franklin, Goorjian):


Elite Classic Basketball (ECB) today announces an exciting addition to the Australian sporting calendar.

“Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops”

The 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' will see eight teams playing for a total prize pool of $250,000 in a short, sharp and lucrative event.

Network Ten and ECB have created a partnership which results in ONE broadcasting the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' in its entirety - over 37 hours of live basketball on free-to-air commercial television.

"We are delighted to partner with ECB to broadcast this exciting event. The 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' event fills a gap in the current Australian television landscape", Network Ten Head of Sport, David White, said today.

The Adelaide Dome has been selected as the venue for the event due to its basketball-specific facilities and capacity, combined with a strong and knowledgeable basketball fan base in the city.

The innovative format is designed to appeal to fans at the games and the wider national television audience alike, and sees eight teams owned by ‘Team Rights Owners’ who pay a fee to secure the rights to a team. While the winner takes home a majority of the prize pool, six out of the eight Team Rights Owners secure a monetary prize of at least their buy-in fee.

ECB Managing Director Jeff Van Groningen believes the business model is unique. “With six out of the eight Team Rights Owners able to re-coup their initial fee and a significant prize up for grabs this is a chance for players and Team Rights Owners alike to compete in a ‘high stakes’ environment over a short period of time”.

The ‘Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops’ falls in a clear calendar window, away from regular, top-tier professional commitments for most players.

“This event recognises the global trend in which people are time-poor yet demand unique, dynamic and palatable sporting events. Combining game innovations, celebrity involvement, a prize pool and a terrific live broadcast partner in ONE, the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' is the basketball event that responds to this demand”, Van Groningen said.

Foot Locker leads the corporate support for the event and provides its peerless brand strength through a Naming Rights deal for the event. Nike have partnered with Foot Locker and will reveal spectacular uniforms for each of the teams closer to the event.

Triple M has partnered with the 'Foot Locker Elite Classic - High Stakes Hoops' to become the Official Radio Partner of the event.

Iconic sports brand Spalding will be the Official Ball of the ECB. With significant game-ball experience garnered in partnership with the NBA, Spalding will soon unveil a unique ball for the event which is sure to create an impact.

Four Team Rights Owners have been announced today. All are prominent sporting personalities who share an interest in the great game of basketball.

Hawthorn AFL star Lance “Buddy” Franklin has secured the PYTHONS, Melbourne Vixen & Australian Diamond Julie Corletto takes charge of the COASTERS, former NBL great Lanard Copeland in partnership with retired 14-year NBA player Sedale Threatt (Lakers, 76rs, Sonics) direct the RUSH, and local Adelaide legend Brett Maher (18 years Adelaide 36rs and triple Olympian) will steer the FLEET.

“I’m a big basketball fan and always have been. I’m looking forward to putting a squad together to try and win this event. I like the format, it’s so unique”, Lance Franklin said today.

Four Team Rights slots are available - RAYS, REEF, CYCLONES and MONARCHS - with announcements to follow.

Several innovative rule changes will see enhanced interest in the event.

On two occasions during each game, one in each half, the coach or on-court captain of each team may opt to use a “game breaker” phase. Over the next 3 minutes of clock time every three-point shot scored will count as four points. The backboard at the team’s attacking end will be brightly lit in green LED lighting, denoting the “game breaker” phase is in effect. Strategy will develop quickly around this unique phase of play.

A further innovation will see each individual quarter scored separately from the final game score. While the winning team will always get the ‘W’ in the column, the team winning each quarter receives bonus ‘elite points’ that accumulate during the competition and are assessed when distributing prize money for those teams not making the Foot Locker Elite Classic Final Four.

Coaching legend Brian Goorjian has thrown his support behind the event. “This event is innovative and ground-breaking and has the potential to really engage fans. It’s a showcase for the sport on free-to-air television”, Goorjian said. The winner of an unprecedented 6 NBL Championships added, “I like the ingredients. Former players and coaches are involved, and new coaching strategies will be employed to maximize the benefits of the rule changes. The whole thing is dynamic. Team Rights Owners are coming into this from other sports because they believe in it and I have no doubt it will attract top players. They’ll want to be part of this”.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:26 PM   #37
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Why the negativity?

Goorj is quoted about it here:

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006371,00.html



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Hey Dodgey, while you're at it, can you persuade the stars to put on a "Dunk Contest"?

That went down really well last time.

Heck, why not jam a broom handle up the players' arses & they can sweep the court for yah.

BTW, which team will Goorj coach? I haven't seen his name mentioned anywhere.
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Old 21-01-2010, 03:33 PM   #38
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Maybe One HD are dipping their toes in with this and if they like the ratings might make a run at the NBL? I'd assume Maher will go into more detail about it all on Inside The Game tomorrow night. This is only a good thing for basketball in this country and I'll certainly be watching.
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Old 21-01-2010, 04:29 PM   #39
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This is a game custom made for BJ Carter. No need for D, just cherry pick 3 pointers. Agree that you need a 3 point dunk (4 in the game breaker section).
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Old 21-01-2010, 04:32 PM   #40
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Other highlights about rules include:

48-minute games, in line with NBA-style basketball.
Jump balls are used to settle 'tie ups' -- no possession arrow.
Each team will have only one full timeout and one 20-second timeout in each half. Unused timeouts cannot be carried into the second half. Less timeouts will result in a more free-flowing game.
Rosters are limited to 10 players. In addition to players, benches may contain two coaches (maximum) and one team manager.
The look and feel of the sidelines will be clean and minimal.
Sorry, weren't they trying to promote a fast paced, every possessions counts style of play?
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Old 21-01-2010, 04:33 PM   #41
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This is a game custom made for BJ Carter. No need for D, just cherry pick 3 pointers. Agree that you need a 3 point dunk (4 in the game breaker section).
that makes sense. it would draw defences back to the basket in game breaker periods instead of just covering the 3 point line.

you would give up 2 points to protect the 4 point area.
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On two occasions during each game, one in each half, the coach or on-court captain of each team may opt to use a “game breaker” phase. Over the next 3 minutes of clock time every three-point shot scored will count as four points. The backboard at the team’s attacking end will be brightly lit in green LED lighting, denoting the “game breaker” phase is in effect. Strategy will develop quickly around this unique phase of play.
Yeah, such as the highly exciting "other team holds the ball up when they have it to kill as much of the three minutes as possible" strategy.
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Old 22-01-2010, 01:02 AM   #44
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This.

I would love many more people to be going to NBL games each week, but if people don't like basketball as it is, too bad, we'll just have to put up with low crowds.

Surely the good NBL players chasing money in the off season will go to play briefly in Europe, as others have in the past, rather than sharing in $250,000?
And the olds will likely take a break to rest up for their pre-season training leading up to the next NBL season.
what happens to a player that is in a team that doesn't win any games and gets injured. No money - no insurance.

MASSIVE RISK.

struggle to see how frontline players will go for it under those circumstances.
then there;s the chance that BA takes a sour view and decides to suspend players for playing in an unsanctioned competition.
end of career. i have seen it happen in other sports. more trouble than its worth - without doubt.
look for a bunch of has beens and recently retired players to have a crack. but the legit NBL regulars willl stay far away
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Old 22-01-2010, 01:19 AM   #45
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrQyKrocxD8
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Old 22-01-2010, 01:35 AM   #46
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It doesn't look like any NBL players will be able to take part in this tournament as according to Boti they're contracted until June.
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It doesn't look like any NBL players will be able to take part in this tournament as according to Boti they're contracted until June.
They can be released to play in this just like they are released to play for their State League comps...with their club owners' permission every other season. Don't know about the top NBL players who are usually no longer playing ABA, SBL, NZNBL etc. Injuries sustained would be covered under their NBL contracts, it's only a week! The dates will count out guys who are going to play in the NZNBL tho. Also, players who luckily pick up extra late season stuff in Europe will already be gone. I expect tho there will be less of that, at the end of this season.
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They can be released to play in this just like they are released to play for their State League comps...with their club owners' permission every other season. Don't know about the top NBL players who are usually no longer playing ABA, SBL, NZNBL etc. Injuries sustained would be covered under their NBL contracts, it's only a week! The dates will count out guys who are going to play in the NZNBL tho. Also, players who luckily pick up extra late season stuff in Europe will already be gone. I expect tho there will be less of that, at the end of this season.
The head of the Crocs made it clear although I dont really know what he was saying.

He said "The competition has no boundaries on imports and NBL players are eligible, although the Crocs are unlikely to release any players to the franchises. ‘‘I’ll be reluctant to release any players, but I haven’t been approached by anyone,’’ Crocs chief executive Ian Smythe said.

‘‘Being a Crocodile is a full-time occupation and certainly our guys by the end of the season will be looking for a well-earned break. Then we’ll be looking at getting them into work in the community.’’

Players every year have picked up playing gigs wherever and whenever they wanted to.

And as far as the last statement - mot sure of any that have done that for a quid - and certainly not as a policy that I've ever heard of

I'd say its the NBL "circling its wagons" from the new guy on the block
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I was asked to explain this in a PM:
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Heck, why not jam a broom handle up the players' arses & they can sweep the court for yah.
Rather than have to repeat myself, I'll post up here.

My concerns are for the players, always have been, always will be. 6 of the 8 owners will get their money back & it's suck shit for the other 2. Now I don't know about you, but after they've paid the entry fee, paid for flights & accommodation & given shitloads of their own time, they may run out of generosity to dip into their pockets to thank the players for their time.
That makes 2 owners that are dirty & 20 players that could possibly put in 5 days for SFA.
As has been mentioned by others, it's a huge risk for NBL clubs to have players risk long-term injury, when there's absolutely no incentive for the clubs to give the go ahead.
Then you look at the successful team of the tourney, what's in it for them? The owner's forked out the entry fee, for flights & accommodation & a chance to share $250,000 with the 10 players. Player paybacks aren't locked in.
We haven't even discussed coaches etc. Could they want some return for their time?
Another puzzle for me, is that they've got logos, match specific balls, the venue & dates set, yet no mention of ticket pricing for those that are expected to fill the stadium.
Back to my questioned quote, I see some players (20 minimum) losing out badly &/or some possibly being unavailable for the next season if they cop a nasty injury. It's all a bit flimsy for my liking.
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I was asked to explain this in a PM:

Rather than have to repeat myself, I'll post up here.

My concerns are for the players, always have been, always will be. 6 of the 8 owners will get their money back & it's suck shit for the other 2. Now I don't know about you, but after they've paid the entry fee, paid for flights & accommodation & given shitloads of their own time, they may run out of generosity to dip into their pockets to thank the players for their time.
That makes 2 owners that are dirty & 20 players that could possibly put in 5 days for SFA.
As has been mentioned by others, it's a huge risk for NBL clubs to have players risk long-term injury, when there's absolutely no incentive for the clubs to give the go ahead.
Then you look at the successful team of the tourney, what's in it for them? The owner's forked out the entry fee, for flights & accommodation & a chance to share $250,000 with the 10 players. Player paybacks aren't locked in.
We haven't even discussed coaches etc. Could they want some return for their time?
Another puzzle for me, is that they've got logos, match specific balls, the venue & dates set, yet no mention of ticket pricing for those that are expected to fill the stadium.
Back to my questioned quote, I see some players (20 minimum) losing out badly &/or some possibly being unavailable for the next season if they cop a nasty injury. It's all a bit flimsy for my liking.
DD, thanks for the explanation. I appreciate your thoughts.

I guess what people have to keep in mind is that this event just officially got announced yesterday at a press conference. Before this time, less than 25 people in the world knew anything about it.

Sure, there are going to be a lot of questions and concerns at this early stage and these can't possibly be answered all at once. There is still over 2 months before the tournament and much more information and details will be released in the lead-up to it.
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